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Re:Règles de Winging 17 Annes, 9 Moiss ago Karma: 75  
Post original de DeadOrAlive sur le forum du PPC le 20/08/206

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WING RULES - 01

A great wingman can increase your game to a much higher level, while a bad wingman cause a lot of crash and burns. There are guidelines and then there are tactics that are crucial to being a great wingman .


Rules and guidelines:

A. The most basic agreement: Your wingman is the coolest, funniest, most
interesting person around.


He does not really tell bad jokes, he is never boring, and he is always the coolest guy around.


B. The second agreement: Who opens the set controls the set.

Your wingman opens a 2-set consisting of a 6 and 9. OK, Sherlock, take a wild
guess as to which one his target is? Yes, the hotter girl. The guy who opens the set controls the set. He is the one who put his balls on the line to approach and open the set. The first 30 to 45 seconds are the toughest parts of the set. The guy who opens is the one who at times fights the butterflies, weathers the storm and takes the heat. He is also unlocking, teasing and negging the target HB in order to soften her up for the close or isolation. You coming in and going after the target would be equivalent of relieving your buddy in the 10th round of a boxing match after your buddy just softened up the opponent for 9 full rounds.


Wingman Rapport:
Do not face girls standing side to side. Face your wingman . He is cooler than the chicks. As a matter of fact, they [Girls] should be attempting to break into your circle of fun, and becoming part of it. DW and I run routines that we would not be able to do solo. When we bust on the girls (During attract phase), WE HIGH-FIVE Each other! Girls can see that we can have fun with or without them. In fact, such antics have prompted comments
such as "You guys are having too much fun!"


Social proofing:
Social proof your wingman in front of his target. Tell stories about him which he cannot tell himself.

Let's say your wing has a certain skill or certification (i.e Great Martial Artist, musician, real estate guru, certified hypnotist, whatever). He can't really talk about it because it would be bragging or qualifying himself. It would make him look very AFC. However, if you say it about him, it's coming from a third party and it makes all the difference in the world. You can even take it a step further.

Here is something I do that you can use as well:
The following champions and lionizes your wingman exponentially.
If or When your wingman steps away for a minute, brag about him in a nonchalant way: "Hey, did you guys know that my wingman is one of the best in such and such field? Don't mention it in front of him (or dont tell him I told you that.) He does not like to brag. "

Example:
"Did you know Mystery levitated over Niagara Falls? It was pretty awesome, etc, etc&.Don't tell him I told you about that. He doesn't like bragging...."

Now, how fucking cool is that?
Not only your wingman is so accomplished, but he is so damn cool, confident, secure, and modest that he would not like it mentioned!


Lastly, many a time, Wingmen behave similar to antibodies. For those who need to brush up on elementary biology: When foreign organisms enters the body, the body produces antibodies which attach themselves to these invaders and destroy them.
Great wingmen are like having these antibodies. They latch on to the obstacles and disarm them meanwhile giving you the opportunity to work on your target.

Follow these and Ye shall be a great wingman too, one day.

The One


WING RULES - 02


This post was written beginning of February (couple weeks ago.) It was inspired when I watched my Wing Playboy lose 2 girls because another PUA [A skilled PUA!] ruined the set. Here is Wing Rules 2 as written originally:

A while back, I posted "Wing Rules", which if I may say in all modesty, is one of the best posts I have read. It is practical advice for winging and following guidelines.

This weekend past, I had a long conversation with Playboy and I found it amazing that the sentiments he expressed echoed my own findings in the field. The first Wing Rules dealt mostly with ATTRACTION PHASE scenarios.

This second addition is for RAPPORT PHASE. I write this post out of frustration. I find it frustrating how these mistakes are constantly made by some of the best PUAs out in the field. Sometimes a miscalculating wing is the worst cock-block on the planet. You can befriend all the girls, you can befriend or AMOG the men. What do you do with a wing who actually means well?

You have befriended all the girls, and you are involved in the middle of playing solid game. This is the point where you envision a great Pick-up in process. (I use the word pick-up loosely here.) You have IOIs and you can just tell a venue change or an extremely solid number exchange is in order. Furthermore, you may even like the woman because she is cool to hang out with, and that my PUA pals, is a rare find.
Here comes your PUA pal to ruin it all....


BE IN THE MOMENT, BE AWARE.
Try to step out of your fucking head:

I have constant experience in this from another area. What do I mean by being aware?
Stop thinking about what routine to run next, what DHV to do next, what games to play and what to utter so much.
Instead, lean back and observe what is happening around you. Your wing may be receiving major IOIs from one of the girls in the group. He needs to isolate and have a decent conversation with her. If you are too much in your head about what routine to run next, you will completely miss what is going on around in your current environment. You are not a routine running machine. You are a human being with a brain...Use it to calibrate.

Stimulus Kills rapport/seduction states

If your wing or a PUA pal is in rapport phase, do him a favor: Stay the fuck away. Do not provide stimulus that will distract the girl. This is a state killer. There is no other better way of saying it.

Its like when TD talks about that "OutKast" song being played and the girls running to dance floor. In that case, that song is the stimulus that is the state killer. Providing stimulus of any kind will force your wing's girl out of Rapport and Seduction States.

Stop engaging the whole group in rapport phase

This ties directly to providing stimulus.
If your wing is receiving IOIs from a girl, let him isolate. You engage the other(s) girls who interest you. Engaging the whole group is now destructive to the pick-up.
Your wing needs some quiet time. I saw Playboy lose 2 girls this past weekend because of this exact mistake in two different sets. The girl liked him a lot and he was trying to transition into rapport and isolation. The other PUA constantly ran attraction routines/stories for the whole group. The guy would not shut up.

Result: Blow out for everyone. Playboy is not able to isolate girl giving him IOIs. Girls' circuits are fried. They dont have any comfort and this dancing monkey entertainment gets old eventually.


Lastly, once again, if your wing is cuddling with a girl or have a deep rapport conversation, stay the fuck away. It's advice any AFC would know, and yet most PUAs are blind to it.

Should you circle the bar and see your wing in rapport with a girl, social proof him and leave. You can say something light and cute, "Hey this guy is one of the coolest guys I know in this entire town. Just making sure he is happy. Keep him entertained. I'll be back in a while, but when I get back, I want to see him smiling!" The girl giggles, plays along and I leave. It's that simple.

Real life example: This was the case last weekend at the Standard when I saw Playboy engaged in a 20 minute conversation in the patio area of the Standard. I said something that resembled the comments above and left. Did he need me to stand there and run routines? No. Did he need me to stand there at all? No. Obvious? Yes! Do most PUAs follow this guideline? No.

One thing is for sure: It's very difficult to find good complete wings who can observe situations, calibrate, know when to step in and when to disappear, know when to social proof you, and also give you advice on how you could have improved something from a third person perspective.

The One

Ps. Nothing is theorized here. Everything is ­base­d on doing extensive amounts of sets, and massively field tested in all sorts of conditions. La librairie GD n'est pas activée sur votre serveur.
 
 
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